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		<description><![CDATA[I discovered Dr Kent Hovind&#8216;s videos a couple of weeks ago and found them intriguing. After further examination I&#8217;ve discovered that Dr. Hovind is anti-catholic and many but not all of his &#8220;proofs&#8221; are questionable. In spite of that I think his presentation is still worth taking at look at all be it with a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="left">I discovered <a href="http://www.drdino.com" title="Kent Hovind" rel="homepage" class="zem_slink">Dr Kent Hovind</a>&#8216;s videos a couple of weeks ago and found them intriguing. After further examination I&#8217;ve discovered that Dr. Hovind is anti-catholic and many but not all of his &#8220;proofs&#8221; are questionable. In spite of that I think his presentation is still worth taking at look at all be it with a healthy does of skepticism.</p>
<p align="left">As a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church" title="Roman Catholic Church" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink">Roman Catholic</a> I became curios as to where my own church stood on the topic of creationism vs evolution. In my online research I came across a catholic apologist named  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sungenis" title="Robert Sungenis" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink">Robert Sungenis</a> who gave a talk entitled &#8220;The Catholic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism" title="Creationism" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink">Doctrine of Creation</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p align="center"><strong>The Catholic Doctrine of Creation by Robert Sungenis, Part 1</strong></p>
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<p align="center"><strong>The Catholic Doctrine of Creation by Robert Sungenis, Part 2</strong></p>
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<p align="center"><strong>The Catholic Doctrine of Creation by Robert Sungenis, Part 3</strong></p>
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<p align="center"><strong>The Catholic Doctrine of Creation by Robert Sungenis, Part 4</strong></p>
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<p align="center"><strong>The Catholic Doctrine of Creation by Robert Sungenis, Part 5</strong></p>
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<p align="center"><strong>The Catholic Doctrine of Creation by Robert Sungenis, Part 6</strong></p>
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<p align="left">Now here is part 2 of Dr. Kent Hovind&#8217;s series on creation. If you missed part 1 you can find it <a href="http://www.barenakedmeditations.com/the-theory-of-evolution-new-world-order-propaganda/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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<h2 align="center"><u><strong>The Garden of Eden </strong></u></h2>
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<p><strong> Bible Translations</strong></p>
<p>At about the 7 minute mark Dr. Hovind discuses which is the best bible translation to use. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version" title="Authorized King James Version" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink">king James version</a> is his preferred choice.</p>
<p>I was listening to a catholic creationist address the same question and he recommended  the  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay-Rheims_Bible" title="Douay-Rheims Bible" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink">Douay-Rheims  version</a> or the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_Standard_Version_Catholic_Edition" title="Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink">Revised Standard Version- Catholic Edition</a> also known as the Ignatius bible because it is published by Ignatius press. He also said that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_American_Bible" title="The New American Bible: Catholic Companion Edition Librosario Decade" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink">the New American Bible</a> (NAB) was OK but recommended not using the foot notes of this translation.</p>
<p>Following are links to two web pages (one catholic, one protestant) that discuss the different strengths and weaknesses of different <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_translations_of_the_Bible" title="English translations of the Bible" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink">English translations of the bible</a>. Both sites are worth having a look if this is something your interested in exploring further.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.catholic.com/library/Bible_Translations_Guide.asp" target="_blank">Catholic: Bible Translation Guide</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.kencollins.com/Bible-t2.htm" target="_blank">Protestant: Bible Translations Into English </a></p>
<p>Dr. Hovind recommends <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Answer-Book-Helpful-Christians/dp/B0017Z82ZW/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1217740085&amp;sr=1-8"><em>The Answer</em> Book by Sam Gipp</a> as well as the web site <a href="http://www.avpublications.com/avnew/home.html" target="_blank">http://www.avpublications.com/</a></p>
<p>I recommend <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Where-Bible-Debt-Catholic-Church/dp/0895557967/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1217740354&amp;sr=1-1">Where we got the bible</a> by Henry Graham</p>
<h3><strong>The Gap Theory</strong></h3>
<p>Dr. Hovind recommends the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/102-0948684-4644944?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=Unformed+and+Unfilled&amp;x=11&amp;y=19" target="_blank">Unformed and Unfilled : A Critique of the Gap Theory</a> <span class="ptBrand">by Weston W. Fields</span></p>
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<h3><strong>Giant Human Skeletons?</strong></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part2.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part2.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/saqatchr/page46.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/saqatchr/page46.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaaca.com/membersbios/bio_cain4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.theaaca.com/membersbios/bio_cain4.htm</a></p>
<p>A lot of sites I&#8217;ve looked at say that many of these so called giant human skeletons are hoax&#8217;s while other sites seem to support the possibility that some of these discoveries may be real. Until I can actually see one for myself in a museum somewhere I&#8217;m going to remain a bit skeptical.</p>
<h3><strong>Cave Man?</strong></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_nebraska.html" target="_blank">Nebraska Man </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/piltdown.html" target="_blank">Piltdown Man</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_neands.html" target="_blank">Neanderthals</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_piths.html" target="_blank">Australopithecines (Lucy)</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_peking.html" target="_blank">Peking Man </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_erectus.html" target="_blank">Homo Erectus</a></p>
<p>Dr. Hovind recommends the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Bones-Contention-Creationist-Assessment-Fossils/dp/0801056772" target="_blank">&#8220;Bones of Contention: A Creationist Assessment of the Human Fossils&#8221;</a> by Marvin L. Lubenowsils</p>
<h3> <strong>Human Artifacts Found In Layers Of Coal?</strong></h3>
<p>I find Dr. Hovid&#8217;s theory of creationism just as plausible as the theory of evolution and his presentation is certainly interesting but&#8230;</p>
<p>The sources he often quotes from as &#8220;proof&#8221; of his assertions seem somewhat dubious. An example of this would be his use of the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Condensed-Forbidden-Archeology/dp/0892133252" target="_blank">&#8220;The hidden history of the human race&#8221;</a> A quick Internet search of this title brings up all sorts of problems related to using this book as an authoritative reference to support his theory.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/lepper.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/lepper.html</a></p>
<p>One can still legitimately believe in the biblical account of creation without accepting all of Dr. Hovid&#8217;s proofs.</p>
<h3><strong>The Bible and Health</strong></h3>
<p>A book that Dr. Hovid recommends that I whole heartily endorse is called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Cancer-Story-Vitamin/dp/0912986190/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1217782581&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">&#8220;World Without Cancer:  The Story of Vitamin B17&#8243;<br />
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<p>Also see the <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4312930190281243507" target="_blank">Video &#8220;World Without Cancer&#8221;<br />
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<p>Also see <a href="http://www.rawcuisine.co.uk/ideas-about-food/b17-rich-foods/" target="_blank">this website</a> for a list of foods high in vitamin B17</p>
<p>Also see Dr. Kent Hovind&#8217;s video <a href="htthttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4877135064984604243&amp;q=hovind+bible+health&amp;ei=efmVSI_iGaXI-wHQiryQBQp://" target="_blank">&#8220;The Bible and Health&#8221;</a></p>
<p><strong>Other resources From Dr. Hovind include:</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Deception-Christopher-Bryson/dp/1583225269" target="_blank">The Fluoride Deception </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.naturalhealthlibrarian.com/" target="_blank"> The Natural Health Librarian</a></p>
<h3><strong> Church and State</strong></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hushmoney/dp/9781892161/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1217791326&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">Hushmoney</a></p>
<h3><strong>Atheism</strong></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/God-Doesnt-Believe-Atheists-Atheist/dp/0882709224/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1217792493&amp;sr=1-3" target="_blank">God Doesn&#8217;t Believe in Atheists: Proof That the Atheist Doesn&#8217;t Exist</a></p>
<h3><strong>Dr. Kent Hovind&#8217;s Website</strong></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.drdino.com/" target="_blank">www.drdino.com </a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve decided to start posting Christian themed information on Sundays as it seems appropriate. This week I want to introduce you to Dr. Kent Hovind. Dr. Hovind is a creationist. I know, I know but, given the anti-New World Order theme of this blog and given the constant propaganda in the mainstream media promoting the &#8220;Theory&#8221; of evolution as fact. I thought it might be interesting to here from the other side. I think you&#8217;ll find Dr. Hovind&#8217;s presentation both intriguing and persuasive.</p>
<p>I did have one problem with this presentation however that I feel compelled to correct. At about the 6 minute mark in the video Dr. Hovind says the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;I was really shocked to find out a couple of years ago that some of the major catholic theologians of the past have taught man gets to become God&#8221;</p>
<p>He is referring to paragraph 460 in the Catechism of the Catholic church which reads:</p>
<p><strong>460 </strong>The Word became flesh to make us &#8220;<em>partakers of the divine nature</em>&#8220;:<sup>2 Pet 1:4</sup> &#8220;For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.&#8221;<sup>79</sup> &#8220;For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.&#8221;<sup>80</sup> &#8220;The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.&#8221;</p>
<p><sup>81</sup> <sup>St. Irenaeus, Adv. Haeres. 3, 19, 1:PG 7/1,939. </sup></p>
<p><sup>80 St. Athanasius, de inc.,54, 3:PG 25, 192B.</sup></p>
<p><sup>81 St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57:1-4.</sup></p>
<p>Being a Catholic and having never heard this before I was a little shocked as well. So I did a little research of my own and discovered that is not what the catechism is teaching. For an explanitation of paragraph 460 check out the following links.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=257">&#8220;So That We Might Become God&#8221;: Understanding Catechism No. 460</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a124.htm"><strong>Musings on Theosis or Divinization: </strong><em><strong>&#8220;God became man so that man might become a god&#8221;</strong></em></a></p>
<p>You can agree or disagree with Catholic teaching but it bugs the crap out of me when people start criticizing the Catholic Church over stuff the Catholic Church dosen&#8217;t teach (worshiping statues etc..)</p>
<p>Anyway it&#8217;s a minor complaint, over all I liked what he had to say.</p>
<p>Enjoy the video</p>
<p align="center"><a title="details-title" name="details-title"></a><strong>Part 1 &#8211; Dr. Kent Hovind &#8211; The Age of the Earth</strong></p>
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<p>For more information visit: <a href="http://www.drdino.com/">Creation Science Evangelism</a></p>
<p>Here are links to some of the information mentioned in this video</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bibleinschools.net/">National Council On Bible Curriculum In Public Schools</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Teaching-Creation-Science-Public-Schools/dp/0932766366">Teaching Creation Science Public Schools</a></p>
<p>Come Back Next Sunday For Part 2</p>
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